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		<title>By: Gabriel Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14928</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say you need a lot of traffic and IPs to affect that, imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say you need a lot of traffic and IPs to affect that, imho.</p>
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		<title>By: optimizare site</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14922</link>
		<dc:creator>optimizare site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 07:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the bounce rate has a signifiant role in SERPs position. You can visit your own site for a lagre period of time. In this way the media oh time decrease and the bounce rate too. ;-))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bounce rate has a signifiant role in SERPs position. You can visit your own site for a lagre period of time. In this way the media oh time decrease and the bounce rate too. <img src='http://seoroi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14666</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be caused by other things for QZ, and I can&#039;t speak for him. For me, there were no paid links, penalties etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be caused by other things for QZ, and I can&#8217;t speak for him. For me, there were no paid links, penalties etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14665</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.

I can&#039;t implement your suggestions for cutting the bounce rate. Think about that and you&#039;ll understand why. 

The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#039;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. 

My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. 

I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#039;t really changed. 

As to studying, client work etc ... yeah, small hindrances, huh ;)? 

Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t implement your suggestions for cutting the bounce rate. Think about that and you&#8217;ll understand why. </p>
<p>The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#8217;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. </p>
<p>My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. </p>
<p>I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#8217;t really changed. </p>
<p>As to studying, client work etc &#8230; yeah, small hindrances, huh <img src='http://seoroi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ? </p>
<p>Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14664</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.

There&#039;s a problem with adding the content you&#039;re suggesting, in that it would change the site&#039;s content rating. 

The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#039;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. 

My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. 

I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#039;t really changed. 

As to studying, client work etc ... yeah, small hindrances, huh ;)? 

Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a problem with adding the content you&#8217;re suggesting, in that it would change the site&#8217;s content rating. </p>
<p>The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#8217;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. </p>
<p>My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. </p>
<p>I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#8217;t really changed. </p>
<p>As to studying, client work etc &#8230; yeah, small hindrances, huh <img src='http://seoroi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ? </p>
<p>Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14663</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.

Trying to cut the bounce rate by adding video/pics would  require me to make what is a general-rated site x-rated.

The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#039;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. 

My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. 

I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#039;t really changed. 

As to studying, client work etc ... yeah, small hindrances, huh ;)? 

Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.</p>
<p>Trying to cut the bounce rate by adding video/pics would  require me to make what is a general-rated site x-rated.</p>
<p>The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#8217;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. </p>
<p>My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. </p>
<p>I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#8217;t really changed. </p>
<p>As to studying, client work etc &#8230; yeah, small hindrances, huh <img src='http://seoroi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ? </p>
<p>Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Goldenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.

Trying to cut the bounce rate by adding video/pics would likely mean adding content not meant for kids, since this is adult traffic. Not happening, since porn is addictive and I&#039;m not looking to make any money at other people&#039;s expense. Yesterday I chose not to target a very lucrative niche that I could rank for in a few months and make up to 60K / year because it was promoting a product that is unethical. 

The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#039;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. 

My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. 

I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#039;t really changed. 

As to studying, client work etc ... yeah, small hindrances, huh ;)? 

Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.</p>
<p>Trying to cut the bounce rate by adding video/pics would likely mean adding content not meant for kids, since this is adult traffic. Not happening, since porn is addictive and I&#8217;m not looking to make any money at other people&#8217;s expense. Yesterday I chose not to target a very lucrative niche that I could rank for in a few months and make up to 60K / year because it was promoting a product that is unethical. </p>
<p>The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#8217;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. </p>
<p>My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. </p>
<p>I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#8217;t really changed. </p>
<p>As to studying, client work etc &#8230; yeah, small hindrances, huh <img src='http://seoroi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ? </p>
<p>Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14661</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.

Trying to cut the bounce rate by adding video/pics would likely mean adding porn, since this adult traffic. Not happening, since porn is addictive and I&#039;m not looking to make any money at other people&#039;s expense. Yesterday I chose not to target a very lucrative niche that I could rank for in a few months and make up to 60K / year because it was promoting a product that is unethical. 

The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#039;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. 

My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. 

I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#039;t really changed. 

As to studying, client work etc ... yeah, small hindrances, huh ;)? 

Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great suggestions and ideas, so let me address them point by point.</p>
<p>Trying to cut the bounce rate by adding video/pics would likely mean adding porn, since this adult traffic. Not happening, since porn is addictive and I&#8217;m not looking to make any money at other people&#8217;s expense. Yesterday I chose not to target a very lucrative niche that I could rank for in a few months and make up to 60K / year because it was promoting a product that is unethical. </p>
<p>The point on addition of links was that I wasn&#8217;t getting new links and everything else was constant except for the search traffic and rank. </p>
<p>My theory is that when I got a new link, it ranked higher. After the recency of the link wore off, it dropped back due to the bounce rates remaining as they had been. </p>
<p>I do have the keywords on the page and the competition hasn&#8217;t really changed. </p>
<p>As to studying, client work etc &#8230; yeah, small hindrances, huh <img src='http://seoroi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ? </p>
<p>Love it when you come by Branko, so please keep sharing your insightful comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14659</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have automated traffic you can test it out :). Or perhaps you could try buying SU traffic, then redirecting to a SERP where you rank after the campaign is approved, and see if the bouncy traffic drops you lower. Thing is it would probably bounce off everyone, so that&#039;s not so good...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have automated traffic you can test it out <img src='http://seoroi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Or perhaps you could try buying SU traffic, then redirecting to a SERP where you rank after the campaign is approved, and see if the bouncy traffic drops you lower. Thing is it would probably bounce off everyone, so that&#8217;s not so good&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: neyne</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14658</link>
		<dc:creator>neyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what he claims is that google will decrease your rankings for those terms that the bounce rate for them is high. which will in turn decrease your overall bounce rate but will also decrease the amount of traffic. 

Again, the phenomenon he is seeing can be caused by several other things (lets say a paid link penalty with anchor text containing a high-traffic-high-bounce-rate keyword, removal of link and removal of penalty). There needs to be an intentional manipulation of bounce rate up and down accompanied by ranking changes in order to support this assumption</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what he claims is that google will decrease your rankings for those terms that the bounce rate for them is high. which will in turn decrease your overall bounce rate but will also decrease the amount of traffic. </p>
<p>Again, the phenomenon he is seeing can be caused by several other things (lets say a paid link penalty with anchor text containing a high-traffic-high-bounce-rate keyword, removal of link and removal of penalty). There needs to be an intentional manipulation of bounce rate up and down accompanied by ranking changes in order to support this assumption</p>
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		<title>By: MikeTek</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14657</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeTek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to go back and read the post again - and you&#039;re absolutely right, Gab.  He doesn&#039;t explain this at all.  The bounce rate drops and so does his traffic - but the fact that the graphs correlate really doesn&#039;t tell us anything.  

It could be Google got the relevance better on the results - so they stopped ranking this site for keywords that were not appropriate.  That would mean probably less but more targeted traffic.

It&#039;s an interesting topic that I&#039;d love to learn more about.  The trouble is that most of what we will have access to is anecdotal evidence and nothing empirical...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to go back and read the post again &#8211; and you&#8217;re absolutely right, Gab.  He doesn&#8217;t explain this at all.  The bounce rate drops and so does his traffic &#8211; but the fact that the graphs correlate really doesn&#8217;t tell us anything.  </p>
<p>It could be Google got the relevance better on the results &#8211; so they stopped ranking this site for keywords that were not appropriate.  That would mean probably less but more targeted traffic.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting topic that I&#8217;d love to learn more about.  The trouble is that most of what we will have access to is anecdotal evidence and nothing empirical&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: neyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>neyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm.

How about you try to decrease the bounce rate? Embed a video, try to add images with sentences that include the keywords that you are ranking for (so you don&#039;t add them to the text)...

According to the information you are giving here it looks as it is just a coincidence. There are too many factors that could influence the changes in rankings (addition of links, fact that you don&#039;t have the keywords on the page) 

You need to somehow connect between the change in rankings and the change in bounce rates and to show that you can increase and decrease the rankings by only changing the bounce rate. It seems like you have an experimental system almost setup for that, it would be pity not to.

That is of course if you are interested in testing it out at all and don&#039;t have better things to do, like studying, client work, etc. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm.</p>
<p>How about you try to decrease the bounce rate? Embed a video, try to add images with sentences that include the keywords that you are ranking for (so you don&#8217;t add them to the text)&#8230;</p>
<p>According to the information you are giving here it looks as it is just a coincidence. There are too many factors that could influence the changes in rankings (addition of links, fact that you don&#8217;t have the keywords on the page) </p>
<p>You need to somehow connect between the change in rankings and the change in bounce rates and to show that you can increase and decrease the rankings by only changing the bounce rate. It seems like you have an experimental system almost setup for that, it would be pity not to.</p>
<p>That is of course if you are interested in testing it out at all and don&#8217;t have better things to do, like studying, client work, etc. <img src='http://seoroi.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14651</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point there Mike - I&#039;d forgotten about Quadzilla&#039;s post. One thing I didn&#039;t get about his though, was how when bounce rate dropped, so did his traffic. Normally a lower bounce rate is better...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point there Mike &#8211; I&#8217;d forgotten about Quadzilla&#8217;s post. One thing I didn&#8217;t get about his though, was how when bounce rate dropped, so did his traffic. Normally a lower bounce rate is better&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SearchCap: The Day In Search, February 20, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>SearchCap: The Day In Search, February 20, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MikeTek</title>
		<link>http://seoroi.com/algorithms/rankings-drop-page-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14648</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeTek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff - Google has probably been rolling this into their algorithm for some time. 

It hasn&#039;t necessarily been reliant simply on their access to user behavior data from Google Analytics, the Google toolbar or other direct sources either - the simple use of a cookie to track whether the user comes directly back to Google to search again or try another result is telling in itself.

The most recent evidence of this I read about was posted over at SEOBlackhat.com: &lt;a href=&quot;http://seoblackhat.com/2008/11/21/bounce-rate-seo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://seoblackhat.com/2008/11/21/bounce-rate-seo/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff &#8211; Google has probably been rolling this into their algorithm for some time. </p>
<p>It hasn&#8217;t necessarily been reliant simply on their access to user behavior data from Google Analytics, the Google toolbar or other direct sources either &#8211; the simple use of a cookie to track whether the user comes directly back to Google to search again or try another result is telling in itself.</p>
<p>The most recent evidence of this I read about was posted over at SEOBlackhat.com: <a href="http://seoblackhat.com/2008/11/21/bounce-rate-seo/" rel="nofollow">http://seoblackhat.com/2008/11/21/bounce-rate-seo/</a></p>
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